janet warren, who testified as an expert witness for the scouts in 2010 in a civil lawsuit filed by a victim of abuse. with me now is tom scales, a survivor of sexual abuse while he was in the scouts. he's now the executive director of the abuse advocation group, voice today. and jason fells helped break the story of abuse in the scouts. tom, you're a survivor of sexual abuse while you were in the scouts, you say. what's your reaction to this study from a psychiatrist who says that young men, boys in the scouts are just as safe as they are in broader society? >> i think they missed the whole point. the whole point, really is, how do we protect children and what happens to all these children, and recognize that many, many, many young men -- i've never reported mine, and many young men don't report. and the stigma of the abuse, the cultural barriers to a young man speaking out. so they have no basis in fact. they can talk only about reported numbers. the reported numbers like most of the statistics around child sexual abuse are generally accepted as being very, very small representation